Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Valentine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) →B music ian 00:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Valentine

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Fails WP:BIO and general notability guidelines. No evidence of significant, non-trivial coverage in independent, reliable sources. The lone sources are a few paragraphs in a local-news blog and a 2009 op-ed written by the article subject. Writing a single op-ed in a local newspaper doesn't make one notable, and the blog source is pretty trivial.

Article has existed since 2005 without adequate sourcing being developed. Could be re-created in a form that meets this site's sourcing and notability guidelines, should additional independent, reliably sourced coverage evolve. MastCell ^Talk 18:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is related to two other active AfD nominations: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tennessee Tax Revolt and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/An Inconsistent Truth. --Orlady (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Orlady (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article Tennessee Tax Revolt had led me to believe that this guy was the Nashville right-wing talk radio host who roused the rabble to drive around the state capitol, honking their horns incessantly, to bully the state legislature into not passing an income tax. However, it turns out that I was confusing him with Steve Gill. (Apparently, if I've seen one right-wing talk radio host, I think I've seen them all.) Accordingly, I conclude that the promoter of the Valentine articles has been trying to credit the guy with another radio host's accomplishments. No purpose in keeping the article... --Orlady (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC) PS - I don't live in the Nashville radio market and I've never heard either of these men on the radio; all I know about either of them comes from the news media. --Orlady (talk) 11:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Are you guys serious? This guy is a nationally syndicated talk radio host with Dial Global Radio Networks on over 110 radio stations. He is consistently listed by Talkers Magazine as one of the 100 most influential radio hosts and was chosen by Talkers as one of the most influential radio talk show hosts OF ALL TIME. Orlady (entry above) should be banned from ever contributing to Wikipedia given his/her complete bias against anyone on the right. Yes, Orlady, it WAS indeed Phil Valentine who led the TN tax revolt and who wrote a book about it called Tax Revolt (Thomas Nelson Publishers). Just because you're a liberal gives you no right to delete the article. Grow up, will you? --The Authenticator (talk) 01:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC) — The Authenticator (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete - per MastCell. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - See WP:PERNOMINATOR, where it's stated in part, "It is important to keep in mind that the AfD process is designed to solicit discussion, not votes. Comments adding nothing but a statement of support to a prior comment add little to the discussion." Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more inclined to take your comment seriously if you hadn't !voted the opposite way below. Please take "per nom" as meaning: "Fails WP:BIO and general notability guidelines. No evidence of significant, non-trivial coverage in independent, reliable sources." Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as crossing both the verifiability and notability thresholds as a nationally-syndicated talk show host. He is ranked at #42 in the 2012 Talkers Magazine Heavy Hundred (and I've added a reference). I've added a few other references to reliable sources, scraped out some cruft, and added wikilinks and proper formatting. On the tax revolt, contemporary reports (like this one: Gettleman, Jeffrey (July 29, 2001). "Radio talk shows generate wave of dissent in Nashville". Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Los Angeles Times News Service. p. 12A. Retrieved May 22, 2012.) list both Valentine and Gill as being leaders in the Nashville radio community. - Dravecky (talk) 11:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep After Dravecky's improved refs. Has notability (though I've never heard of him, heh)Capitalismojo (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: article is now notable due to recent addition of sources. Bravo Dravecky! – Lionel ^(talk) 22:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It's enough to survive AfD, but the article still needs better sourcing and coverage of his actual radio career. - Dravecky (talk) 23:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Topic appears to pass WP:GNG, per: [1], [2], [3], [4]. There's also this article, which has some mentions: [5]. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Radio host is not notable outside of Nashville. References in the article do not comprise significant coverage and do not establish notability, so this fails WP:GNG. He does get a mention in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, but is not the main topic of the source material, only garnering a brief mention. Gobōnobo ⁺ ^c 01:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Must a subject have notability beyond their metropolitan area? (Before you reply: remember that most of our 100000+ high schools and junior colleges have only local notability).– Lionel ^(talk) 04:20, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to Lionel's point, the mayor of Nashville, Karl Dean, has an article and is certainly not notable outside of Nashville. The fact that Valentine has held high-profile jobs in Philadelphia and Nashville and is currently heard in over 110 markets including Flint, MI, Milwaukee, Savannah, GA and Pensacola, FL would indicate his notability reaches far beyond Nashville. --The Authenticator (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Consistantly in the top 50 of the Talkers magazine Heavy Hundred — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.87.71.74 (talk) 23:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Syndicated talk show host with sufficiently widespread coverage to justify claims to notability. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this seems to be driven by a disdain for Mr. Valentine's politics. He is a nationally syndicated radio host. That seems to meet the notability requirements. I know from first hand experience that his show is available on the radio on WFNC in Fayetteville, North Carolina Gerry D (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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